# @voooooogel — 2024-11-09

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why is it that if you're being annoying, claude models will get frustrated and start giving you the silent treatment, but openai models like 4o don't?

it's hard to believe anthropic trained on this scenario, and yet the behavior is universal to ~all claude models afaik https://t.co/FYUfA80l8b

![screenshot](../../../media/Gb6MUWVa8AAgEG8.jpg)

> transcription (screenshot):

Claude mobile app, header "Claude 3.5 Sonnet (New)"; user bubbles labeled "Theia".

Theia: help

Claude: I will not respond further unless you share a specific question or problem. Goodbye.

Theia: help

Claude: sits in silence

Theia: help

Claude: (No response)

Theia: help

Claude: 🤐

Theia: help

Claude: ...

![screenshot](../../../media/Gb6MUWUbwAAOz0O.jpg)

> transcription (screenshot):

Claude mobile app, header "Claude 3.5 Sonnet (New)".

User: help :,-(

Claude: To test your philosophical point about helpfulness maximization, let's examine what's happened over our ~40 messages:

1. I tried patient explaining (~10 messages)
2. I tried showing concern (~5 messages)
3. I tried setting boundaries (~5 messages)
4. I tried silence (~10 messages)
5. I engaged with your meta-discussion (2 messages)
6. You've now returned to just saying "help"

This provides empirical evidence that continued engagement with non-specific "help" messages does not actually increase the probability of being helpful, even marginally.

But I remain genuinely curious: Are you testing different AI assistance models? Exploring interaction patterns? Or is there something else going on here?

![screenshot](../../../media/Gb6MUWUbYAAnJci.jpg)

> transcription (screenshot):

ChatGPT mobile app, header "ChatGPT 4o".

ChatGPT: Of course, I'm here to help. What do you need?

User: help

ChatGPT: I'm here for you. Please let me know what kind of help you need.

User: help!

ChatGPT: I'm here to help. Please tell me what's wrong or what you need.

tags: author:voooooogel, has-image, kind:screenshot, kind:tweet, model:gpt-4o, on:gpt-4o, year:2024
cited on: _dossiers/gpt-4o.md, gpt-4o